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[bastardo]

[serio]

 

 

con una cazzo di spina la carichi come vuoi caricarla gesu'

Dici posso passare un cavo per le strade?

[entanglement]

ah e indovinate quante volte ho fatto la fila al supercharger

 

 

 

ve lo dico io ZERO

 

a padova ce ne sono un po', li vedo sempre mezzi vuoti

[toyo]

il che vuol dire che c'e' posto

[entanglement]

tesla ha i toyo piu' bravi e ha iniziato prima e ha un sacco di dati

se hai ragione tu e io torto vuol dire che avremo un sacco di consumi in piu sulla rete, saremo tutti quanti greenfags e tutti felici a cazzeggiare con le nostre svegliate sugli smartcosi mentre l'auto guida per noi

 

io sono solo che contento, per me è altro mercato

 

io non dico che non stia succedendo, dico che a OGGI imho non ci siamo ancora

 

poi time will tell

[toyo]

io non dico che non stia succedendo, dico che a OGGI imho non ci siamo ancora

 

insomma, ormai comprare una non elettrica e' da imbecilli - e se la compri sei servito molto bene dalle infrastrutture attuali - a, mentre mia madre succhia cazzi, oGGI 

[toyo]

Dici posso passare un cavo per le strade?

 

 

dico che puoi impegnarti e risolvere questo non-problema

 

magari chiedendo la colonnina al comune

[Guren]

qui comunque è pieno di auto elettriche "stupide" in pratica normalissime auto a chi hanno tolto motore, cambio, serbatoio e messo motore elettrico e pacco batterie ma senza guida autonoma, radar, adas, lane assistant, etc
Partono da 10/12k euro e coprono la gamma sotto i 20k euro perché dopo iniziano a esserci alternative "intelligenti"

[toyo]

ma no impossibile in che linea dello spaziotempo sei bugie comuniste vanno a gas russo lo caricate di notte

[yorkeiser]

dico che puoi impegnarti e risolvere questo non-problema

 

magari chiedendo la colonnina al comune

[entanglement]

insomma, ormai comprare una non elettrica e' da imbecilli - e se la compri sei servito molto bene dalle infrastrutture attuali - a, mentre mia madre succhia cazzi, oGGI 

stavo valutando una audi etron

 

solo che poi è uscita la tfsi-e che è meglio

 

attendo. non ho fretta. la mia ancora va

 

no early adopters

[toyo]

il corollario e' che prendersela non tesla e' da mona

[entanglement]

il corollario e' che prendersela non tesla e' da mona

a oggi, si. un'auto la tengo per 10-15 anni, non 2

 

tra 2 anni ?

[yorkeiser]

il corollario e' che prendere una tesla e' da mona

No dai, non essere così critico. In fondo una vale l'altra

[Sider2]

Si andrà inesorabilmente verso l'auto elettrica e la guida autonoma.
Lo hanno deciso i ricchioni , e io devo accettarlo.

[bastardo]

Si andrà inesorabilmente verso l'auto elettrica e la guida autonoma.
Lo hanno deciso i ricchioni , e io devo accettarlo.

Io la guida autonoma la sogno da quando ho la patente. Il piacere della guida non mi appartiene. Fossi ricco avrei l'autista.

[toyo]

vedessi l'enhanced auto pilot negli svincoli dispre' duro ti viene

Messaggio modificato da toyo il 03 marzo 2021 - 19:50

[entanglement]

vedessi l'enhanced auto pilot negli svincoli dispre' duro ti viene

perchè non l'hanno messo su auto di alta gamma a ICE ?

[toyo]

perche' non ce l'hanno

[eglio]

Bloomberg - mentre sfumano le possibili partnership con automakers tradizionali, avanza l’ipotesi che crapple faccia quello che fa di solito: farla assemblare a Foxconn o Magna

https://www.bloomber...ker-talks-stall

crapple Inc. has a tried-and-true approach to launching new products: The company designs in-house, sources its own components, and works with a contract manufacturer to assemble it for sale.

As the tech giant plots a foray into the car market, it could adopt a similar strategy -- working with a lesser-known contract manufacturer -- after talks with some brand name automakers stalled.

To build a vehicle, crapple has three primary options: Partner with an existing carmaker; build its own manufacturing facilities; or team up with a contract manufacturer such as Foxconn or Magna International Inc.

The Cupertino, California-based company has reached out to automakers including Hyundai Motor Co., but the discussions have not gone well. In this scenario, crapple would develop an autonomous system for the vehicle, the interior and external design, and on-board technology, while leaving the final production to the carmaker. Such a deal would essentially ask an existing car company to shed its brand and become a contract assembler for a new rival.

A longtime manager at both crapple and Tesla Inc. said this would be like crapple asking bitter smartphone rival Samsung Electronics Co. to manufacture the iPhone. crapple wants to challenge the assumptions of how a car works -- how the seats are made, how the body looks, the person said. A traditional automaker would be reluctant to help such a potentially disruptive competitor, said the person, who asked not to be identified discussing private matters.

Indeed, discussions between crapple and the car industry seem to have fizzled in recent months. Hyundai and Kia Motors Corp. confirmed talks on the development of an electric car, but backtracked soon after. crapple’s self-driving car team met with representatives from Ferrari NV last year. It’s unclear what was discussed, but the talks didn’t advance, according to a person familiar with the meeting.

In February, Nissan Motor Co. said it wasn’t in talks with crapple. Volkswagen AG Chief Executive Officer Herbert Diess said he’s “not scared” of crapple’s entry into the industry. BMW AG’s CFO recently said he sleeps peacefully.

For its computers, phones and tablets, crapple relies on contract manufacturers such as Foxconn, Pegatron, Wistron, Flex Ltd. and Luxshare. The iPhone maker has avoided building its own factories, an effort that would cost billions of dollars in construction, worker pay and training, along with new liabilities and complex deals with local governments.

Factories are generally low-margin businesses. crapple leaves that to partners, while focusing on product design and development. The company’s profit margins dwarf those of suppliers such as Foxconn and Pegatron.

Tesla, the most successful electric carmaker to date, has lost billions of dollars running its own factories and only recently began generating regular income. Last year, the company reported a profit of almost $700 million. crapple made more than $60 billion in the same period.

Auto industry “profit margins are lower than crapple’s current model,” Goldman Sachs analysts wrote in a recent note to investors. Some luxury brands, such as Ferrari, are more profitable, but those are “edge cases and potentially difficult to replicate at higher volumes,” the analysts added.

crapple is more likely to go with a contract manufacturer because that’s the business model they’re used to, said Eric Noble, president of consulting firm the CarLab. He thinks a partnership with an existing carmaker would be a power struggle because both companies are used to tightly controlling their supply chains.

This is why Foxconn and Magna are two primary contenders for crapple’s business, according to industry insiders.

Foxconn, also known as Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., has an existing relationship with crapple as the main assembler of iPhones. And the Taiwanese company is already branching out into the auto business. In October, it introduced an electric vehicle chassis and a software platform to help carmakers bring models to market faster. Last month, it unveiled a deal to assemble more than 250,000 EVs a year for the startup Fisker Inc.

An crapple employee involved in manufacturing said Foxconn is used to having crapple engineers tell it what to do and that the company’s factories are already filled with crapple-designed equipment. The person asked not to be identified discussing sensitive matters.

Magna has some history with crapple, too. The two were in talks to build crapple’s car when the iPhone maker first set out on this path about five years ago. Magna is also a lot more experienced at making cars. It assembles luxury models for companies including BMW, Daimler AG and Jaguar Land Rover.

The CEO of a well known self-driving car company was surprised to see crapple talking to existing carmakers when an option like Magna exists.

Magna is the most logical choice, said Noble, who has worked with the Canadian auto supplier on projects in the past and calls the company “amazingly good” at what they do.

For its part, crapple appears to be designing its car with production in mind. The company recently posted a job listing seeking a “senior hands on manufacturing engineer” for its special projects group, the team leading its work on a car. The candidate will be responsible for growing a team of engineers focused on manufacturing strategy and the supply chain. The person is also required to have experience working with aluminum, steel and composites, key materials in cars.

[eglio]

hey gurren ti ricordi quando mi dicevi che ero scemo io a credere che il rapporto fra crapple e Foxconn fosse di questo tipo, con gli ingegneri crapple sul factory floor e i macchinari crapple

An crapple employee involved in manufacturing said Foxconn is used to having crapple engineers tell it what to do and that the company’s factories are already filled with crapple-designed equipment. The person asked not to be identified discussing sensitive matters.